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Post by Tails_155 (DJ T-Rey) on Jun 11, 2006 23:23:08 GMT -5
I may be young, but not ignorant One of the main disputes in the news today... what are your views? do you know anyone effected by this? if so i urge you to make input even more
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Post by tinkernoonoo on Jun 12, 2006 2:45:52 GMT -5
Well, I don't want to be rocking any boats, seeing as I just joined today, but since I grew up without religion (but not without morals), and have gay friends, I really don't understand what all the fuss is about. If people of the same sex wish to marry, then why not? Shouldn't they have the right to be just as miserable as straight people?
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Post by Amynthis on Jun 12, 2006 13:38:17 GMT -5
This is one of those touchy topics, like the abortion arguments, that really doesn't have a particular right or wrong answer - everyone has their opinions...I personally don't see why it should be illegal (as I have gay friends), but I know people who are against it...
No one wins in this argument, there will always be disagreement, unfortunately.
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Post by Geek-A-Zoid on Jun 12, 2006 14:42:26 GMT -5
I see no reason why people can't be with who they want no matter what gender they are. Everyone deserves to choose who they want to be with the rest of their live. i personnaly think this shouldn't even be a country or even state issue.
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Post by phlakk on Jun 12, 2006 14:49:37 GMT -5
lol, well i guess this isnt much of a debate then? i also was raised without religion and have had gay friends. im totaly for it.
but a work associate of mine andi were discussing this a week or so ago and he raised an interesting point. yes they should be legaly allowed to get married BUT should the church be forced to have the ceremony? you cant really force them to do somthing that they have been against for a couple thousand years. he proposed they have their own churches, i feel that would just create further devision.
thoughts?
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Post by Geek-A-Zoid on Jun 12, 2006 15:14:37 GMT -5
I agree you can't force a church to hold a gay marriage because it is against their beleifs they probably shouldn't have them build their own churches but what else could we do
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Post by gmcmom on Jun 12, 2006 15:15:18 GMT -5
I agree that churches should not be forced to perform the ceremonies. If the gov't wants to allow it it's their choice, but for the gov't to tell clergy people that they have to condone something that the bible is very clearly against would not be fair. Yes God loves all of us always, but He doesn't always love what we do. It's up to each of us to make the choices we willing to someday face God about.
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Post by Tails_155 (DJ T-Rey) on Jun 12, 2006 15:33:53 GMT -5
i know several priests that don't truly mind such ceremonies, because (as Penn and Teller said) The Bible is more of a story than true "you should" "you shouldn't" because have you noticed that the same chapter that says such about homosexuals says you may sell your daughter into slavery? or you should stone to death a disobedient kid?? kinda creepy to me...
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Post by tinkernoonoo on Jun 12, 2006 18:20:01 GMT -5
Wow - such agreement for such a potentially divisive topic! I, too, agree that no one should force a church to go against its beliefs with regard to sanctioning or performing gay marriages, and I can't imagine why anyone would even wish to push that issue. Am I wrong in thinking that some United Churches will perform gay marriages (here in Canada, at least)? I'm not really up on this stuff. I do know that they tend to be more inclusive than some denominations when it comes to sexual oriention and female clergy, at any rate.
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Post by scooter on Jun 12, 2006 23:46:43 GMT -5
I'm a member of the United Church of Canada, which, yes, is supportive of rights for gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered people. (Which is not to say that every member of the denomination is marching in the Pride parade by any means; we have our share of fearful and/or ignorant people.) I could go on and on about what I find stupid about the gay marriage debate (like how exactly is it that the marriage of a gay or lesbian couple somehow makes someone else's straight marriage less valid??) but I won't. I will say that I don't think churches should be in the legal marriage business for anybody, gay or straight. If you want to express your commitment to each other before God and your community, great, the church has rituals for that. If you want to establish a legal relationship by signing a contract with the government, go to a government official... My two cents.
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Post by Tails_155 (DJ T-Rey) on Jun 12, 2006 23:56:24 GMT -5
chnk chnk well said, another thing i keep hearing is "it ruins the sanctity of marriage"..... ... ... ... er? wtf? please explain how one sees such?
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Post by judyg8or on Jun 17, 2006 17:20:08 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with this at all. As far as the "church" issue. There of course should be no "forcing" to make any establishment perform a marriage, gay or straight. Gay couples planning a wedding will have to look at all options available to them and plan their ceremony like everyone else.
For me it is more of a legal issue. I have friends that have been 'together' for 11 years. They would just like to have the tax breaks, health insurance options and piece of mind of having a legal relationship, should something happen to one of them. Right now a gay couple can be together for 20 years and if they don't have things set in stone with wills etc, one partner has no rights to the home, assets etc that they have built together. It's crazy.
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Post by Tails_155 (DJ T-Rey) on Jun 17, 2006 20:48:49 GMT -5
not only is it a money thing though, but that's considering a biological state of mind to be some fettish people are into... and basically is holding them lower than humans
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